This page contains material from the April 2001 newsletter.

EDITOR: Jim Pittman NEXT MEETING: Wednesday April 4th, 7:30 PM Galles Chevrolet, Lomas & University CONTENTS: Dues Due Sylvan Zuercher Spelling Checker April Foolery March Meeting Notes Chuck Vertrees Board Meeting Notes Chuck Vertrees Billiken (Oldsmobile) Mark Morgan Coming Events Everybody Cars and Parts For Sale Everybody Seven Years Ago Jim Pittman NMCCC Meeting Report Mark Martinek Route 66 Clean-Up Ollie Scheflow The Big-I Tour Jim Pittman TECHNICAL: Move Your Car Safely Richard Finch Brand New Windscreens Everett Wilson (VV) Powerglide Leak Bob Binderup (VV) Heat Shrink Tubing Dennis Pleau (VV) Coil Springs for 1964 Bill Hubbell (VV) COVER: The Big-I Tour - photos by Jim Pittman === DUES DUE OR EXPIRED: Wayne Christgau 12/2000 Jerry Goffe 01/2001 Carl Johnson 02/2001 Steve Lesher 02/2001 Clayborne Souza 02/2001 Frank Stadler 02/2001 Bill McClellan 04/2001 David Patten 04/2001 Boedean Belt 05/2001 Dennis Pleau 05/2001 Terry Price 05/2001 Ben Abeyta 06/2001 Gregg Armstrong 06/2001 Richard Finch 06/2001 Mark Morgan 06/2001 Dan Post 06/2001 Chuck Vertrees 06/2001 If your membership is due or has expired, please send your dues to: Wendell Walker, CNM Treasurer, 301 Utah Meadow, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 Note: the Club will mail in your National dues when you renew, but only if you send us the renewal form from CORSA Communique! The CORSA Home Page: http://www.corvair.org CNM's home page: http://www.corvair.org/chapters/chapter871 === Subject: Spell Checker Eye halve a spelling checker, It came with my pea sea. It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word, And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write. It shows me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid, It nose bee fore two long, And eye can put the error rite An get on with my song. I've run this poem threw it. I'm shore your pleased two no, Its letter perfect awl the weigh. My checker tolled me sew. (Thanks to Chuck Vertrees for passing this along.) == MARCH MEETING NOTES Chuck Vertrees The meeting was called to order on 3/7/01 at 19:30. Although it was raining pretty heavily, the turnout was good. All officers were present. There were no new members to introduce and the one possible guest reported by Sylvan did not arrive. The minutes of the last meeting were accepted as printed in the newsletter, although there was one wrong name in "Seven Years Ago". Robert Gold said that he really liked the pictures and the choice of color on the web page. This is thanks to Steve Gongora. Wendell walker reported that CNM had $546.76 in the checking account and $5,460.43 in the Money Market Account for a total worth of $6,007.19. The meeting room was not unlocked and the guard did not know that we were supposed to meet. Finally he let us in. (Joe called later in the week and apologized. He had just forgotten.) CNM received $25 FROM THE Car Council for our work at the swap meet. The Car Council will not be sponsoring a car show in July with the Route 66 group. They have changed completely and have some pretty far out ideas about how many cars can be expected at a show. The city will not be giving any support for future museum car shows, so the future is very dim at this time. There will probably not be any more shows at the Museum parking lot. See the CNM web page for more information on the Car Council. Mark Domzalski reported that there is a new Cole Competition Chair, Larry Schmuhl. The convention in the Chicago area is right on schedule. The Daytona Beach convention made a profit of $11,000 for CORSA. There is a lot that will be going on at the Tri-State meet. It would be wise to register as soon as possible. The registration number is in CORSA Communique. LeRoy reported that there are no more rooms in St George for the March Utah event, but he did get a reservation in Hurricane at a Super 8 motel. The Big-I tour is all set. You can bring as many guests as you like. The Highway 66 cleanup is scheduled for March 10th. The new name badges have been ordered. Patches are being checked on. Wayne Christgau wrote, asking about the possibility of an associate membership. There is no provision in the constitution and by-laws for an associate membership; this will be brought up at the next board meeting. For the ladies. The next Ladies meeting was to be at the Sutt's in Santa Fe, but they may have to be out of town. Therefore, meet at Ruth Boydston's and then either convoy up or stay at Ruth's. The July meeting will be on July 11th and NOT the 4th. Larry Blair brought some brochures on Old Route 66 and they were passed around. Some of the historical facts were quite interesting. Robert Gold reported on the progress of the State Fair car show in September. Our paper work had been sent in and Robert followed up with a call and sure enough, they could not find it. A second set was faxed and receipt was acknowledged. We are in the Fair. Hurley knows the manager and is going to see about NOT having the rock station set up right behind us with their 1550 dB speakers. Ruth Boydston brought Frances' CNM jacket and auctioned it off with the money going to the Club. Mark Domzalski bought it. Ruth also brought us a hello from long time member, Bill McClellan. Bill would be at the meeting but his legs just will not climb stairs any longer. Larry Blair said that The Sandia Motorsports Track would let the Club drive the track for a modest fee. To race has much stiffer requirements. Larry will find out more details. The meeting was adjourned at 20:15 and followed by a VCR tape of old automobile ads. === MARCH BOARD MEETING NOTES Chuck Vertrees The March board meeting was called to order on 3/21/01 at 17:00 at House of Covers. Present were Jim Pittman, Steve Gongora, Sylvan Zuercher, Hurley Wilvert, and Chuck Vertrees. It was announced that Ilva Walker had had a stroke on Saturday afternoon and was in Presbyterian hospital in the ICU unit. The only visitors allowed at this time are immediate family. It was also announced that former member Clint Jones had died last week and a card was sent to his wife and family. The minutes of the last board meeting were accepted as printed in the newsletter. Rita Gongora dropped in and announced that the Christmas dinner is all set at the Kirtland Officers' Club on Sunday, December 2nd at 11:00 AM. Sylvan has not had a chance to check on the new patches. Steve will also check out patch costs with the company that does our T-shirts. The new name badges are all ready and they really look nice. The main supply will be kept at the supplier and we will take him the names when new ones are needed. A list will be circulated at the next meeting for those who want a new badge to sign up. Sylvan will check with the person at Sandia High School to see if the ROTC will be interested in joining with us on the next "Old 66" cleanup. The board decided that we do not need an associate membership status. A year's dues in CNM is about what a year's newsletter costs to produce. A membership in CORSA would be required in all cases. This brought up the problem of timely reports from CORSA as to who is current and who is not. The board cannot see why CORSA could not send a monthly E-mail notice, or at least a quarterly notice, to each chapter with the status of the CORSA membership of each chapter member. If CORSA has any kind of database at all, this would not require a great deal of effort. The Boydston award is all set for the Tri-State meeting. An ad hoc committee of Jim Pittman, Mark Domzalski, Bill Reider and Sylvan Zuercher has been appointed to discuss the criteria for both the Boydston and the Meissner awards. There was quite a bit of discussion as to what each award should represent. The committee will report back to the board within the next few months. Members should keep a check on our web page for the upcoming car shows. It was brought up that our schedule calls for a funkahna in April. Dell is supposed to be in charge of this. Hurley will check with him. If he cannot do it we might move the progressive dinner from November to April. The meeting was adjourned at 18:25. === Seven Years Ago in C.N.M. April 1994 Volume 20 Number 4 The cover once again showed Corvairs taking over the world. President Del ran our meeting and we had just over a thousand bucks in the bank. There were lots of events to plan for, including a March CNM anniversary dinner party, the upcoming tenth anniversary Albuquerque Museum-NMCCC car show, a łpicture rally˛ put on by Chuck and Dennis and the Tri-State in Pagosa Springs. A tech session on Heim Joints, a Fourth of July car show in Santa Fe, the State Fair, a Funkhana, an Aspencade, a trip to Acoma Pueblo and our Christmas dinner were some more events to look forward to in 1994. Wayne Christgau wrote to us from Iowa about his amazing 1967 Monza and told how he came to be a Corvair owner. While watching Bonanza on TV he saw Hoss, his favorite Cartwright character, driving a 1967 Corvair over the Ponderosa range and decided he had to own that car. The very next morning Wayne appeared at the Chevrolet dealer in Austin, Minnesota where an identical 1967 Monza coupe was in the showroom, with "000007" indicated on the odometer and a $2200 price tag on the window. In no time at all Wayne was driving his new Corvair away from the dealership and into history. Twenty-six years and innumerable adventures later, Waynešs Monza's odometer turned 500,000 miles, having in the meantime faithfully carried Wayne all over the U.S.A. as well as to Greece, England, Scotland and Wales. Tech tips this month included a story about a fix for oil leaking from the axle top cover vent and how a dirt-dauber wasp nixed the fix, some words of wisdom about cotter pins (always use a new one; bend both legs), and an observation by Ann Landers that "for men, cars are their true loves" if you can believe that. Fourteen Years Ago The April 1987 cover was another Mad Modification by Mark Morgan: a Boattail Monza, no less. President Clayborne ran the meeting; LeRoy reported $688 in the bank. Brian Zoula (1966 500) was a guest and Bill Finke (1963 Spyder) was a new member. We planned a tour to Madrid and an econo-run to Carrizozo. It was time for a NMCCC car show and an Ouray, Colorado Tri-State; Steve Goodman provided facts, figures and motel phone numbers for the Colorado event. Bill Reider showed us a finned, cast aluminum oil pan from Clarkšs, a nice design. Clayborne suggested that while a couple of bags of sand in the trunk might help keep your Corvair stable as you drive through dust devils, an S-10 spoiler would work better, wouldn't add weight and would look great. Bill Hector reported that a few CNM members drove their rear-engine snow vehicles (i.e., Corvairs) up the back side of the Sandias to the bottom of the ski area and played in the snow awhile. It was not exactly a ski trip, but was fun anyway. LeRoy reported that CNM's first auction netted $75.25 for the Club an a lot of fun for the bidders. Bill Reider's column reprinted an essay written by Kristen Romer for her English class on the rise and fall of the Corvair; interesting view of our favorite car. A tip told where to get new interlocks for a 1961-1965 transmission. The last page had a dozen tips for saving energy, but donšt bother digging out your old newsletters to look for these tips as they had all the characteristics of an April Foolšs Day prank. Examples: Put oversize tires on your rear wheels so you are always driving downhill and gravity will help you save gas; Turn your air conditioner around in the winter so it will blow hot air into your house; Shorten the electric cords on your household appliances to save unnecessary electrical loads. Twenty-one Years Ago The April 1980 cover was a nice drawing of an early convertible. We voted to keep our local dues at $7/year despite CORSA's dues going up to $14/year. We were making plans to participate in the State Fair car show. Markus Rothmeyer told us hešd soon be finishing his UNM engineering courses and moving back to Bavaria, the land of Autobahns and Porsches and BMWs. New members were Bill McClellan, Vince Wayland and David Langlois. An excellent article by Danny Simpson described joining the front and the back halves of two łwreckers˛ to make one good serviceable vehicle out of two useless wrecks; Danny had completed several Corvairs including a late sedan that was his personal transportation. George Morin provided two tech tips; one was how to install a grease fitting to lubricate late rear wheel bearings, while the other was how to destroy your kitchen by heating up cans of spray undercoating in the oven. Yes, the cans exploded with spectacular results. Other tips addressed emergency brake cylinder bleeding, splicing a piece of neoprene hose into a bad fuel line and a discussion of ills that could befall batteries and how to cope with them. * * * * * * * * * * * * FOR SALE, TRADE OR WANTED * * * * * * * * * * * FOR SALE: 1964 front clip. Cheap. Joel Nash 884-5064 FOR SALE: 1965 Corsa Conv. $1500 Call Bill Reider 299-4597 Ground up restoration Have good 140 engine with new valve job. Rebuilt flywheel Extra front end, Org. needs rebuilding Extra top bows New top in box w/pads Inst. & Glove box panels powder coated Needs front seat FOR SALE: 1960 Monza coupe $800 Call Bill Reider 299-4597 Automatic, Radio, gas heater Ground up restoration Powder coated engine shrouding Full set of 60 Monza wheel covers Extra front & rear suspicion with less that 27000 miles Assembly & Shop Manuals for the 60 Corvair Extra gas heater parts FOR SALE: 1966-67 Corvair $1500 Call Bill Reider 299-4597 Automatic recently rebuilt. 110 engine with recent valve job. New black carpet needs to be installed. New black headliner needs to be installed. New black rear package area carpet needs to be installed New black dash pad White bucket seats in good shape, rear seats need recovering Dual master cylinder Needs battery Body straight Call Bill Reider 299-4597 WANTED: 1962 to 1964 Corvair air conditioning unit, less the compressor and Corvair evaporator. Richard Finch, Tularosa, NM 1-505-585-8037 Office, e-mail: finchbird@juno.com. FOR SALE: 1961 Rampside. White with red trim. 74,167 miles. 110-HP, 4-speed. $3,200.00 Ruth Boydston 505-821-1506 * * * CNM ADS ARE FREE TO CNM MEMBERS, $5.00 TO NON-CNM MEMBERS * * * Route 66 Clean-Up and Weather Ollie Scheflow Friday 10:00 PM news. Weather report: canyon winds and possible rain and snow. Too late to call the crew and cancel. Better go out to the site early enough to call everybody and cancel if necessary. Saturday morning. Our patio is wet in Corrales from slight rain overnight (not predicted) but the sky is bright with 50/50 blue and clouds. I arrive at the Tijeras Canyon meeting place and find only slight wind and blue sky. 8:30 - Del Patten arrives in his brown Corvair Greenbrier. 8:45 - Still only Del and I are here. Del questions, Should we cancel if no one else arrives? We think about it for awhile. 9:00 - Six more members arrive. 9:10 - After donning orange safety vests, pocketing extra trash bags, discarding sweat shirts and arming ourselves with nail-pointed broomsticks, we disperse along the highway and get to work. The wind is just a slight breeze. The clouds are few and white and cheerful against the sky. The roadside is not wet and isn't dusty, either. A fine day for gathering trash. We collect 29 bags of trash and make several piles of cardboard and old tires. Oh yes, as usual, our Yukon Jack man discarded his signature miniatures for us to pick up. 11:15 - Finish up and gather back at the parking area. Post-cleanup bull session about cars we own or used to own or want to own, or about automotive adventures of the past. Our participants were Larry Blair, Steve Gongora, David Huntoon, Del Patten, Jim Pittman, Bill Reider, Ollie Scheflow, Chuck & Julie Vertrees and Hurley Wilvert. Thanks to everyone for a good job. 2:00 - Back home in Corrales. Look toward the Sandias and see dark low clouds. Who says New Mexico weather isnšt changeable! - Oliver Scheflow Big-I Tour Report Jim Pittman I did not go to Little Anita's restaurant for lunch, but went there to meet the CNM group just before our tour started. As I was walking toward the restaurant, a red Italian sports car drove up. No, not a Ferrari, it was Wendell Walkeršs Pantera, with Mark Domzalski at the wheel. I waited for five or six minutes while Mark figured out how to wrestle himself out of the tight confines of the cockpit, then we went into the restaurant. A pretty large group was happily finishing up lunch and getting ready to leave for the tour. Rumor has it that the "fried ice cream" was especially good. We had time for a cup of coffee (it wasn't especially good, but then I'm used to Louisiana coffee which is pretty hard to get in New Mexico) and then we all drove east on Menaul to look for the construction employees' parking area. Milling around as leaderless crowds will do when unsure where to go, we heaved a collective sigh of relief when we spotted Larry Blair's handsome dark green 1964 Spyder convertible (it has a 140 4-carb engine, not a turbocharged engine, and we really ought to get Larry to tell us about all his modifications sometime) and were soon trooping into the building. We grabbed orange or green fluorescent vests and blue hard hats. Pretty soon most of the crowd was present and dressed for the hazards of a construction site. Larry introduced Van Groves, President of Twin Mountain Construction, who conducted our tour. We were all much impressed with Van, not just because of his extensive knowledge of every aspect of the Big-I project, but also by his cheerful willingness - even obvious enjoyment - at conducting a tour for a bunch of car nuts on a Saturday afternoon. Several members of our group were heard to brag to him on what a great job his people are doing on this complex project. Indeed, considering the vital role played by I-25, I-40 and their intersection smack in the middle of the city and the state, it is amazing that most of the time, traffic continues to flow right through the middle of this massive construction project. After a brief overview of the big planning boards (updated every week so everyone has a record of what everyone else is doing for the next three or four weeks) Van led us out to the construction area. After walking under a huge crane, our first stop was where the concrete bridge sections are cast. Each section weighs eighty tons, and each section is unique in terms of its bank or tilt left-to-right and its slope or tilt front-to-back. Each new section is cast with its matching section acting as the mold for one end; that way every section fits its mate perfectly. Sections are "glued" together with epoxy, but the bridge is actually held together with stretched steel rebar and cables. The hardness and strength of the concrete is extraordinary. Getting the concrete to set up and harden quickly requires sophisticated chemical additives and a minimum of water. We next saw the giant crane that can pick up sections and move them anywhere they are needed. (When I bought my new Corvair in 1966 I ordered a set of Michelin tires for it, so I was happy to see that the monster tires on this crane were Michelins!) Van demonstrated how the steel cables are inserted and tensioned, then showed us a new pier which already had four bridge sections attached to it. He told us how the sections are added in pairs, one on each side of a pier, and how they are supported and then tensioned. The bridge sections build toward each other from neighboring piers and finally end up with a one-foot gap between the last two sections. At this point the bearings in the piers are unlocked and the adjoining sections can be tilted or pivoted to line up perfectly; then the gap is connected with a poured-in-place concrete section. Is the bridge earthquake-resistant? Yes, it is. The piers are designed to resonate with an earthquake instead of just rigidly standing until they break. How long will this bridge last? Van said that its expected lifetime is such that none of us will ever live long enough to see it torn down. We walked up a dirt ramp (dodging a massive dump truck headed up the ramp) and onto one of the bridges. Van told us it would be cold and windy on the bridge, and it was! We even had a few hits of ice-cold raindrops, not quite sleet, before we returned. The view from the bridge was terrific and we all tried to imagine ourselves in a couple of years, casually driving south on I-25 and taking the exit for eastbound I-40 and zipping along this bridge... we just knew we would never be able to do it without remembering our walk along "our" bridge while it was under construction. All too soon (or maybe it wasn't soon enough, since some of us were freezing cold in that brisk wind!) we walked off the bridge. We had asked all the questions we could think of, we had walked back to headquarters and turned in our vests and hard hats and we were ready to leave to get back to our humdrum lives. My thoughts were that it must be really great to be one of the people who plan, design and build something like this, to be able to see ideas turn into reality before your eyes, put together by your own hands. We all thank Van Groves for giving us a great tour and Larry Blair for putting it all together for us. I know I will never look at a freeway intersection again without thinking of the amazing planning and energy that goes into building a structure that can conduct millions of cars and trucks so effortlessly along the ways they need to go. And I will look forward, in a couple of years or less, to being able to enjoy driving on "my" bridge. === Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:49:30 EST From: Richard F Finch (finchbird@juno.com) To: casa unm edu Subject: SAFETY/TECH TIP. I have always pushed my cars in and out of the garage when they are inoperative because of repairs in progress. Fortunately, my driveways have usually been rather flat and not sloping too much. But as I age beyond retirement age, I notice that pushing a Corvair into my garage is harder than it was when I was 30. And if I ever "lost" the car here in my Tularosa garage, it would end up atop my neighbor's prize 4 foot high hedge across the street, that is, if it did not hit a car or a kid on a bicycle in the street as it gets away from me. Most CORSA members remember reading about the fellow who attended the Daytona Beach National Convention safely, only to have his '65 Corvair get away from him and crash into his neighbor's house when he got out of it to kiss his wife when he returned home. I was the happy owner of a '84 Pontiac Fiero when I lived in Florida in 1984-88, but the car had a bad habit of not wanting to stay in first gear. It also had a non-operable parking brake. One evening after work, I pulled the Fiero into my nearly flat driveway, put it in 1st gear and went into the house. About two hours later, neighbor kids knocked on my front door and told me that my car had mysteriously rolled across the street and into my neighbor's yard across the street, stopping against a tall pine tree. To prevent similar dangerous situations while I restore my "NEW" '64 Monza, I have drilled two 7/8" diameter holes in the concrete floor about 3 feet in front of the car. I then inserted two lead anchors, epoxied them in with JB Weld and then installed a steel strap to the lead anchors in the floor with 3/8" grade 8 bolts. At the center of the front bumper, at the bracket where the license plate attaches, I installed another bracket that accepts a hook from a come-along. I can also attach my nylon tow rope to these two hooks as a safety cable. Now I can winch my car back into the garage after I have spent the day sanding and washing it. These simple safety measures should avoid a runaway car problem and they will save my back from strain from pushing the car uphill and into the garage. Richard Finch, CORSA member Tularosa, NM === Subject: Brand new Windscreens (VV) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:12:26 -0600 From: aircooled6@prodigy.net To: (virtualvairs@skiblack.com) Sender: owner-virtualvairs@skiblack.com I just got a new replacement windshield (frontlite) from L-O-F for my '67 4-door. I now understand why shipping is much higher than it should be, the box is HUGE. Like 12x40x60, you could put two 10 speed bicycles in there!! So it has to go via motor carrier, not UPS. I see that the east coast vendor now packs their LM windshields in foam-in-place boxes which are smaller and saves roughly half on shipping, but I don't know whose glass it is. Based on price, I'd say it comes from the same place, since one British company now owns both PPG and LOF. I ordered this direct from L-O-F because I wanted the right stencils on it and most other replacement glass shows PPG Duplo-Plate or something similar. LOF will replicate the original stencil with proper date codes etc for a small additional fee. ($30.00) Just call them up, the guys answering the phone were really helpful, tell them what codes were on the original glass (or tell them any date you want) and they will decode it for you and take care of putting it on your glass. It took about 6 days from when I called til it was delivered. They do glass searches for any other old cars too. The original windshield was dated Feb 67 and my car was made in mid-May 67, so that might give you an idea of lead time if you are doing a restoration but don't have the original glass to check. Incidentally, the actual manufacture date of this piece was August 99, but the person I spoke with says they still manufacture tinted windshields for LM Vairs on a regular basis, but they would have the PPG number and a new (current) date code stenciled on them. Clear ones, no dice. They don't make untinted windshield safety glass anymore, I guess. I didn't think to ask about early model windshields. Anyhow, if you find yourself needing a windshield and want correct date codes on it, go to www.lof.com and punch up "Glass Search" for the 800 number and they'll take care of you. Price was 267.82 plus shipping plus the 30.00 for engraving. For a driver, its probably less expensive from the normal vendors, but for a restoration, I'd call these guys again. Everett Wilson North Richland Hills TX ****************************** This message was sent by the Corvair list, all copyrights are the property of the writer, please attribute properly. To unsubscribe, mailto:majordomo@skiblack.com with "unsubscribe virtualvairs" (without the quotes) as the first line of the message. To post, mailto:virtualvairs@skiblack.com. For help, mailto:vv-help@skiblack.com. ****************************** Powerglide Cable Leak/Oil Pan Gasket (VV) From: Bob Binderup (binderup@radiks.net) To: Dennis & Debbie Pleau (dpleau@efortress.com) Thanks, Dennis or Debbie! I checked my CORSA magazine and found Mr. Palmer. He should be able to supply what I need. Bob. From: Dennis & Debbie Pleau [SMTP:dpleau@efortress.com] Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:15 PM To: Bob Binderup; 'virtualvairs@skiblack.com' Subj: Re: PwrGlide Cable Leak/Oil Pan Gasket Bob, There is a heat shrink tubing made for underground splices of Cable TV cables. It has a heat activated epoxy inside it. It is large enough that it will slip over the end on the cable and after heat is applied it will shrink down to make a tight fit and the epoxy will seal any leaks. It was found by Wendy Walker of CNM and first marketed to the Corvair crowd by the late Francis Boydston. Dave Palmer was selling it at the Great Western Fan Belt Toss. Dave is a CORSA Chairman of something (and also former CORSA President) so his contact info is on the second page of each Communique. Dennis, CORSA Chairman of something and Debbie, CORSA chairperson of something else. At 06:33 PM 1/14/01 -0600, Bob Binderup wrote: > Is the method outlined in the Tech Guide (using gas line hose, > silicone sealer and clamps) still the best method to repair leaks in > the Powerglide cable? I seem to remember reading about another method > involving epoxy. Also, there are several choices of materials - > rubber, cork, composition, etc - for the oil pan gasket. Any > suggestions? I have a '67 Monza Convertible, driven primarily on > weekends in the summer. Thanks for the help! > > Bob - '67 Monza 110 Convertible === Subject: Re: '64 MONZA COUPE REAR SPRINGS. (VV) From: "Bill Hubbell" (whubbell@home.com) To: "george koenig" (geobarb@cox-internet.com) Cc: (virtualvairs@skiblack.com) George, There were actually four different coil springs offered in 1964, RH and LH for all Coupes and Sedans, and RH and LH for Convertibles. The specs are as follows: Coil Spring PN 3848969 Left hand sides for models 527, 769, 627, 927, 969 Type Right hand helix Material Steel alloy, heat treated and drawn Cut-off Length 111.687 Number of Coils (active, total) 7.50, 8.834 Wire Diameter .506 Outside Diameter 4.465 Pitch Diameter 3.959 Height Free 13.369 Working (inches @ lb) 7.45 @ 1095 Deflection rate between 5.95 and 8.95 (lb per inch) @ Spring 185 Coil Spring PN 3848967 Right hand side for models 527, 769, 627, 927, 969 Same as 3848969 except as follows Cut-off Length 98.804 Number of Coils (active, total) 6.50, 7.834 Wire Diameter .486 Outside Diameter 4.425 Pitch Diameter 3.939 Height Free 12.585 Working (inches @ lb) 7.45 @ 950 Coil Spring PN 3848970 Left hand side for models 667,967 Same as 3848969 except as follows Height Free 13.774 Working (inches @ lb) 7.45 @ 1170 Coil Spring PN 3848968 Right hand side for models 667,967 Same as 3848969 except as follows Cut-off Length 98.804 Number of Coils (active, total) 6.50, 7.834 Wire Diameter .486 Outside Diameter 4.425 Pitch Diameter 3.939 Height Free 13.018 Working (inches @ lb) 7.45 @ 1030 Lon Wall actually sells a RH and LH model for 1964 springs, but I'm not sure what the specs on them are. Hope this helps Bill "springing into action" Hubbell ----- Original Message ----- > In the process of restoring a 64 Monza Cp, the complete rear > suspension has been removed and disassembled. Putting it back under > the car is just a few weeks away when today I noticed that the two > rear springs were different. One has one more coil than the other. > The two springs measure as follows > > Left (drivers side) Right > No of coils 9 8 > wire thickness .510 .490 > total height 14 1/2" 14 1/4" > spring OD 4 1/2" 4 1/2" > OD is hard to measure, but it's close. > > So I went to the tech guide. How bout that? There is an article in > it that says, yes there were two different part numbers for the > rear coil springs. The factory assembly manual confirms there are > two different part no's. Two of the major vendors sell aftermarket > springs, but under one part number that fits both sides. > > I have two questions. What is the difference between the two > springs? Do I have the correct springs? Anyone out there care to > tackle this one? > Thanx [ I hope I did not destroy the above tables when I re-formatted the e-mail I got from Dennis. - Jim Pittman ] ****************************** This message was sent by the Corvair list, all copyrights are the property of the writer, please attribute properly. To unsubscribe, mailto:majordomo@skiblack.com with "unsubscribe virtualvairs" (without the quotes) as the first line of the message. To post, mailto:virtualvairs@skiblack.com. For help, mailto:vv-help@skiblack.com. ****************************** ==end==